Comments on: The Poker Life Cycle /2010/02/the-poker-life-cycle/ A Heads Up Poker Strategy Blog Thu, 03 Feb 2011 15:59:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Gugel /2010/02/the-poker-life-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-8082 Gugel Thu, 29 Apr 2010 03:26:47 +0000 /?p=536#comment-8082 @Michael Josem I didn't mean it like that, but I see how it could be misinterpreted :) I meant that it's POSSIBLE for PokerTableRatings.com to use their data to detect/confirm cheating. The UB/Absolute scandal was an example of such cheating, but PTR didn't have anything to do with that specific case. @Michael Josem

I didn’t mean it like that, but I see how it could be misinterpreted :)

I meant that it’s POSSIBLE for PokerTableRatings.com to use their data to detect/confirm cheating. The UB/Absolute scandal was an example of such cheating, but PTR didn’t have anything to do with that specific case.

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By: Michael Josem /2010/02/the-poker-life-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-8080 Michael Josem Thu, 29 Apr 2010 03:12:37 +0000 /?p=536#comment-8080 The claim that PokerTableRatings helped to detect the cheating at Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet is simply untrue. The cheating was detected by the players in the game who looked at their own Poker Tracker databases and records. The claim that PokerTableRatings helped to detect the cheating at Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet is simply untrue.

The cheating was detected by the players in the game who looked at their own Poker Tracker databases and records.

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By: Ken Stephens /2010/02/the-poker-life-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-7932 Ken Stephens Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:39:29 +0000 /?p=536#comment-7932 I don't think the industry is in "decline" at all, poker is still a vastly popular game and there's no reason why this won't continue indefinitely. As for players getting better, it's not that anyone is teaching poker beyond a level that can't be exploited by the good players, as always. I don’t think the industry is in “decline” at all, poker is still a vastly popular game and there’s no reason why this won’t continue indefinitely.

As for players getting better, it’s not that anyone is teaching poker beyond a level that can’t be exploited by the good players, as always.

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By: Gugel /2010/02/the-poker-life-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-7390 Gugel Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:43:16 +0000 /?p=536#comment-7390 @Jason Let's say you were trying to build a search engine. Do you think it would be easier / more profitable to break into that industry now or in 1998? @Jason

Let’s say you were trying to build a search engine. Do you think it would be easier / more profitable to break into that industry now or in 1998?

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By: Jason /2010/02/the-poker-life-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-7388 Jason Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:19:58 +0000 /?p=536#comment-7388 If you didn't start playing before 2006, now's not the time? Why, because beating up on easier competition is the path to success? Without that valuable experience, it's going to be a tough road to hoe? Or are you saying that everyone that was playing before 2006 are millionaires now, so they're set for life? What exactly is the logic here? If you didn’t start playing before 2006, now’s not the time? Why, because beating up on easier competition is the path to success? Without that valuable experience, it’s going to be a tough road to hoe? Or are you saying that everyone that was playing before 2006 are millionaires now, so they’re set for life? What exactly is the logic here?

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By: Joe /2010/02/the-poker-life-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-7185 Joe Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:10:44 +0000 /?p=536#comment-7185 I think you may be right on about the maturity of the poker industry. However, I am not sure it translates into timing for an individual starting to play. With the exception of there being less inexperienced players at the tables than there was a few years ago when they were coming in droves, I don't think the number of players in the industry has any affect on the success of an individual player. If you are correct that the poker industry has reached maturity I think it is poor time to open a card room or an internet poker site. The reason is when the market is growing you can gain market share without having to steal customers (or players in the case of poker rooms) from other businesses. After maturity of a market entry is difficult because there are few new customers so the only way to grow is by stealing customers from competitors who are already established. I think you may be right on about the maturity of the poker industry. However, I am not sure it translates into timing for an individual starting to play. With the exception of there being less inexperienced players at the tables than there was a few years ago when they were coming in droves, I don’t think the number of players in the industry has any affect on the success of an individual player.

If you are correct that the poker industry has reached maturity I think it is poor time to open a card room or an internet poker site. The reason is when the market is growing you can gain market share without having to steal customers (or players in the case of poker rooms) from other businesses. After maturity of a market entry is difficult because there are few new customers so the only way to grow is by stealing customers from competitors who are already established.

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By: The Poker Meister /2010/02/the-poker-life-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-7168 The Poker Meister Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:13:45 +0000 /?p=536#comment-7168 Good, informative post, as always! Nice writeup, Gugel! Good, informative post, as always! Nice writeup, Gugel!

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By: Gugel /2010/02/the-poker-life-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-7165 Gugel Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:36:58 +0000 /?p=536#comment-7165 @jimsbets You make a good point, but you also have to consider that it still takes an extraordinary amount of work to become even a breakeven player. If the training sites didn't exist, a -3PTBB loser would still become a breakeven player because he has the dedication and the competition would be softer. Now that the training sites DO exist, a -3PTBB loser has better resources available to help him improve, but the competition is tougher. Either way, it still comes down to his dedication, talent, etc. @jimsbets
You make a good point, but you also have to consider that it still takes an extraordinary amount of work to become even a breakeven player.

If the training sites didn’t exist, a -3PTBB loser would still become a breakeven player because he has the dedication and the competition would be softer. Now that the training sites DO exist, a -3PTBB loser has better resources available to help him improve, but the competition is tougher. Either way, it still comes down to his dedication, talent, etc.

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By: jimsbets /2010/02/the-poker-life-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-7164 jimsbets Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:06:37 +0000 /?p=536#comment-7164 if it helps clarify, think how much easier it would be to coach someone from -3ptbb loser to breakeven than it would be to coach them from a 3ptbb winner to a 6ptbb winner. if it helps clarify, think how much easier it would be to coach someone from -3ptbb loser to breakeven than it would be to coach them from a 3ptbb winner to a 6ptbb winner.

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By: jimsbets /2010/02/the-poker-life-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-7163 jimsbets Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:59:55 +0000 /?p=536#comment-7163 Regarding the online training sites, it doesnt balance out. Turning an idiot into a breakeven player hurts your winrate more than the same amount of training would help your winrate. Its easier to correct their huge mistakes than your smaller ones and those huge corrections make more of a difference. Regarding the online training sites, it doesnt balance out. Turning an idiot into a breakeven player hurts your winrate more than the same amount of training would help your winrate. Its easier to correct their huge mistakes than your smaller ones and those huge corrections make more of a difference.

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